RCS2014#32 – Incorrect pace on marathon clarification

2014 RCS #
32
Summary
Incorrect pace on marathon clarification
Date Received
01Jun13
Proponent
Simon Rosenman
Change Date
Next Rulebook
Status
Closed for comments: 01Sep13
Not Recommended: 15Sep13
Activity
Initial Posting: 01Jun13

Current Wording – Article 945.4 – Penalties on the Marathon Course:Incorrect Pace

Should one or more horses break into a pace other than that specified for the last 500m of Section E and it is not corrected within five seconds the Athlete (Driver) will incur one penalty for every occurrence. If the break continues, the Athlete (Driver) will incur one penalty for every additional completed period of five seconds.

At ADS-recognized events, the above penalty also applies to.:

  • Section D – any pace other than walk, (Training, Preliminary, Intermediate);
  • Section E (inside obstacles) – cantering (Training); and
  • Section E (outside obstacles) – cantering (Training, Preliminary).

At ADS-recognized events, intentionally cantering or trotting all the horses in Section D will be penalized by elimination. This penalty also applies to intentional cantering of Training and Preliminary division drivers in Section E outside of obstacles.

Suggested Wording – Article 945.4 – Penalties on the Marathon Course:Incorrect Pace

Should one or more horses break into a pace other than that specified for the last 500m of Section E and it is not corrected within five seconds the Athlete (Driver) will incur one penalty for every occurrence. If the break continues, the Athlete (Driver) will incur one penalty for every additional completed period of five seconds.

At ADS-recognized events, the above penalty also applies to.:

  • Section D – any pace other than walk, (Training, Preliminary, Intermediate);
  • Section E (inside obstacles) – cantering (Training); and
  • Section E (outside obstacles) – cantering (Training, Preliminary).

At ADS-recognized events, intentionally cantering or trotting all the horses in Section D will be penalized by elimination. This penalty also applies to intentional cantering of Training and Preliminary division drivers in Section E outside of obstacles. Preliminary division drivers must be penalized for allowing horse(s) to canter entering or exiting obstacles (Article 941.1).

Reason for change

Simplicity and clarity

22 Response(s)

  1. thiggins says :

    August 3, 2013

    Not in favor of penalizing under 5 seconds after the exit gate as I think you will force competitors to pull their horse up in an unsafe or inhumane manner in the heat of the moment. Penalty on entrance needs to more clear if approved. 1 penalty point for entering an obstacle at the canter? You can’t expect volunteer timers to count out 5 seconds. Perhaps it would help to add a line to the obstacle map that the judge can simply check off. Cantered before start gate ___

  2. Ted Campbell says :

    August 6, 2013

    I would like to see this change, Preliminary division drivers must be penalized for allowing horse(s) to canter, more than five seconds entering or exiting obstacles (Article 941.1).

  3. hoofnit says :

    August 6, 2013

    READ THE RULE CHANGE! This change will penalize ANY cantering outside the enter/exit gate, not just the 5 seconds of inadvertent cantering, as entering and exiting the obstacle at a canter is purposeful. This means the athlete cannot ask for a canter until they have passed the Enter Gate. It is not reasonable to canter a equine around A-D then slam on the brakes so the equine is at a trot BEFORE exiting the hazard. This would be cruel and hazardous to the equine.

    I agree if the equine is cantered over 5 seconds BEFORE entering or AFTER exiting the obstacle, there should be the penalty as already specified.

  4. bridgesd says :

    August 6, 2013

    Disagree with this proposed change – the current wording is adequate.

  5. keithy says :

    August 6, 2013

    I do not support this change.
    RCS2014#14 is a much better and simpler way of handling the Preliminary competitors that are cantering into and out of the obstacles. RSC2014#14 removes the elimination penalty and applies the existing 5 second rule. Allowing RCS2014#32 to be approved could potentially create an equine abuse problem as competitors slammed on the brakes at the exit.

  6. DanRosenthal says :

    August 8, 2013

    Strongly disagree with this rule change. Its unsafe for horses. It is unenforceable given current practice. And it is just plain a bad rule. 5 seconds in either direction should be the standard.

  7. cathyjo76 says :

    August 11, 2013

    Disagree with this rule change. RCS2014#14 covers this.

  8. Iris says :

    August 12, 2013

    I do not support this rule change. RCS2014#14 will deal with the problem.

  9. Price says :

    August 13, 2013

    Strongly disagree. I agree with allowing cantering in and out of hazards within the 5 second limit.

  10. love2083 says :

    August 13, 2013

    Very much disagree.

  11. susan mcdaniel says :

    August 13, 2013

    I strongly disagree with this proposal. Leave the 5 second rule. Enforcing the no cantering will have animal cruelty advocates in an uproar as horses are yanked back a trot in most cases.

  12. Laurel says :

    August 19, 2013

    This is not a good rule change. Keep the original wording.
    Thank you

  13. raymansur says :

    August 19, 2013

    Strongly disagree with this rule change. RCS2014#14 is a much better solution. Even though the 5 second rule is difficult to monitor and/or enforce, its intent is well known, and drivers try to obey the rule.

  14. Donene McGrath says :

    August 19, 2013

    I strongly disagree with this proposed change. RCS2014#14 is the way this particular situation should be handled. At preliminary level, one is allowed to canter in cones and within an obstacle; to be consistent, one should also be allowed to canter in and/or out of an obstacle subject to the 5 second rule. I strongly agree with others who have said this rule will be cruel and hazardous to the equines. Plus, on a different note, we’re all bemoaning the fact that it’s difficult to attract spectators and seeing a team cantering in and out of an obstacle (subject to the 5 second rule) is one of the highlights/most exciting moments for the spectators we do have. And prelim is usually the largest division. So do we really want to eliminate the excitement? (Both for spectators and drivers?)

  15. Zantke says :

    August 20, 2013

    I strongly disagree with this RCS. It is in direct opposition to my RCS 2014#14 – which obviously I believe is the better way to address the problem. This RCS #32 has many flaws: 1. It’s hard to enforce – we would need a volunteer – the timer – at the entrance & exit line who is not only able to handle the stopwatch, but who then must also be a trained horseman to decide if the horse was already or still cantering that very moment. 2. The penalty for perhaps the one half stride of already or still canter = Elimination – would be MUCH too severe for such a small infraction – creating another burden not only for the competitor but also for the volunteer who would need to call it. 3. It’s against the common practice that we all have done for as long as I can remember, so would be a really radical change. 4. It’s REALLY bad for the horses, as drivers might pull them up HARD just before the exit. 5. That would create a BAD picture for spectators and thus would be bad for our sport. So I hope this will not pass and instead you will support my RCS 2014#14. Thank you. Hardy Zantke

  16. ashemont says :

    August 22, 2013

    Do not support this.

  17. S Johnson says :

    August 23, 2013

    I also strongly disagree with this proposal.

  18. rondamcph says :

    August 24, 2013

    I disagree with this change. If we are changing the cones to make the experience to elevate the drivers experience level in order to move up, cantering in and out of the obsticles is a much needed training experience. This gives the prelim driver the opportunity to school up and prepare the horse/pony for the next level. Additionally the comment that unnecessarily pulling up a horse/pony prior to entering the hazard/obsticle is really an issue here. I agree that this will be sending the wrong message to the horse. If you want to improve you need to take the next steps which is encouraging eagerness in your CDE partner, not snatching on their mouth.

  19. daves says :

    August 24, 2013

    Strongly disagree with this change for reasons stated by others. RCS #14 covers this much better.

  20. CaroleSweet says :

    August 27, 2013

    I do not support this rule change. RCS2014#14 is the best answer for this issue.

  21. wgallen says :

    August 28, 2013

    I disagree with the proposed change. Instead, I favor the opposing RCP #14.

  22. Pam Biggi says :

    August 30, 2013

    I strongly disagree with this proposal. Instituting this will result in drivers slamming on the brakes and yanking their horses up just before the out gate of the obstacle. The existing 5 second rule is quite sufficient.

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