- 2014 RCP #
- 29
- Summary
- Clarification and power to enforce
- Date Received
- 01Jun13
- Proponent
- Simon Rosenman
- Change Date
- Next Rulebook
- Status
- Closed for comments: 01Sep13
Recommended for Approval: 15Sep13 - Activity
- Initial Posting: 01Jun13
Modified wording: change to “submit prior to” to read “submit at the safety check in harness -immediately before the start”….
Current Wording – Article 901.12 – Guidelines for Harness and Carriage:Safety and Appendix D
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Suggested Wording – Article 901.12 – Guidelines for Harness and Carriage:Safety and Appendix D
- 12.5 Each entry shall complete a Safety Checklist as illustrated in Appendix D and submit at the safety check in harness – immediately before the start of the Marathon competition.Proposed Appendix D –
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Reason for change
Current release is cumbersome, lacks detail and does not provide acknowledgement that the driver has inspected his or her vehicle, harness and equipment prior to Marathon. Present forms only involve a signature and are often collected as early as registration or with entries. The intent was assurance that the driver had actually completed an inspection at the event location prior to Marathon or cross-country and was assuming full liability for equipment failure in the event of accident.
thiggins says :
August 3, 2013A short checklist would be more useful than the current form as well as a more comprehensive list of what to check at Training level.
Marjean McIntyre says :
August 5, 2013In reality, as a very experienced competitor, this won’t do anything except require me to keep track of a piece of paper for one or two days until the marathon, where I will take it with me and hand it in then. It won’t change anything about what I check or my routine. I don’t look at the sheet now, I won’t look at the sheet then. I have my own safety check routine of my vehicle and harness that I have used for 20 years and being handed a piece of paper isn’t going to change how I go over my carriage and harness. I’ll sign it and hand it over, at check in or at safety check, makes no difference to me, and I am sure doesn’t matter to most of the other drivers either, except for the hassle of keeping track of the paper, which would be a PTA. Sorry to be blunt, but that’s the truth. I realize you may need them for liability, so happy to sign it, but to have the illusion that the list is really going to have any impact is naive.
Ted Campbell says :
August 6, 2013I agree with the proposed rule change.
hoofnit says :
August 6, 2013In a two day event, before marathon even starts, the athlete has driven two of the competitions, one at speed, and has not completed this “form.” What value does it add if the competitor completes the checklist 2/3 of the way through an event? I do applaud the thoroughness of the checklist, what value does it add to the safety of the athlete? I foresee the rapid check, check, check, check, check, check, check, check, scribble scribble hand to start of A and not the through inspection the form suggests. This would be appropriate a designated Training mentor to go over with new competitors PRIOR to the first competition.
keithy says :
August 6, 2013I do not support this change.
The safety check list is a great tool for those entering the sport as well as the more experienced to used prior to competing in all phases. This should not be a requirement.
dannabe33 says :
August 13, 2013I agree with Marjean, it won’t change anything except more to check off in a hurry. Looking at it as a event organizer, yuck, more time for the volunteers to look over form. I do not support this change.
love2083 says :
August 13, 2013Do not support. Just more superfluous “stuff”.
Laurel says :
August 19, 2013I agree with Marjean, it is up to each of us to keep our horse, carriage and harness, safe to use, adding a sheet of paper to the mix, is a waste of time for everyone involved.
Thank you
Zantke says :
August 20, 2013I do not support this RCS – it’s just more bureaucracy.
hardy
daves says :
August 24, 2013We are not debating the legitimacy of the “Pre-competition Check List” but rather the form/structure it should take. This new version does a much better job of making the competitor think about his/her preparedness to compete.
I support this change.
CaroleSweet says :
August 27, 2013I support this change…mostly. There isn’t anyone out there that is above a reminder to check their equipment….it is even in the Rule Book, and every competitor should be reading the rule book. Besides, it is just good horsemanship to monitor the condition of your equipment. However, the time to fill out the check list is PRIOR to arriving at the event, not after they get there. I would prefer to see the completed check list included with the entry form…it would then be available to the person running the safety check point…or the show office, if that is where it needs to reside for “administrative purposes”. Expectations are not that the check list provided is the only means of doing such, only that this is the minimal set of expectations….whether or not someone else does it differently…then it should make filling out the form that much easier, because they are already familiar with doing their own version of the check list.
This shouldn’t even be just for marathons, but for ANY driving competition. Equipment failure can be just as devastating at a Pleasure Show as at a Breed Show or a CDE. A pilot, regardless of experience, never starts his prop without an extremely thorough Pre-Flight check list…or they shouldn’t be flying.
Andy Marcoux says :
August 28, 2013I don’t support this NEW rule proposal (though I do find the proposed form much better than the current form in use). Organizers will add this piece of paper to the existing check list and ask us to fill out both, since this proposal does not propose to eliminate the current rule written into Combined Driving Appendix A #6.
The checklist is a well intended, nearly universally ignored piece of paper. People regularly have their grooms, friends, neighbors and dogs fill the paper out and hand it in.
We don’t require a checklist for shoeing, feeding or other care of the horse (yet). We can only watch over our competitors so much. Let’s be advocates, not nannies.
wgallen says :
August 28, 2013I disagree with the proposed change. These Safety Checklists are a
joke. Everyone signs without reading them. I don’t believe they
provide any legal or practical benefit.
rules says :
August 30, 2013Comment on behalf of Jay Hubert:
Please note that the proposed change to the Safety Checklist alters the original intent of the form. As originally drafted it was intended to be used at the beginning of each “Competition” at a CDE, or at the start of a pleasure driving or recreational event.
The wording in the proposed revision limits the form to use prior to the Marathon in a CDE, rather than at the start of the entire event.
From personal, practical experience conducting safety checks prior to the first “competition” of the event, I have found more issues than at any other time, and have had to send a few folks back to remediate problem conditions.
I suggest you modify the language to allow the form, and a safety check, to be used prior to each competition at a CDE.
Please note that I was Chair of the Safety and Education Committee when the original form was created, and I did most of the drafting of the document myself.
Thanks for your consideration of this matter.