Status: Posted 5Jun18, Recommended with Mods by CDC & ESC 19July19
|Name:||Marc Johnson / CDC Chair|
|Subject:||Inspection of course by athletes|
|Rule #:||962.3 Inspection of the Course by Athletes.|
|Current Wording:||3.1 At least 48 hours before the first Athlete is due to start Marathon, the whole Course must be open for inspection by the Athletes, except under exceptional circumstances, when Organisers have the option not to open Section A for inspection, with the agreement of the Technical Delegate.
At ADS-recognized events, the course must be available for inspection by the Competitors at least 24 hours before the start of the Competition. (For Arena Trials see Appendix CD-B.)
|New Wording:||3.1 At least 48 hours before the first Athlete is due to start Marathon, the whole Course must be open for inspection by the Athletes, except under exceptional circumstances, when Organisers have the option not to open Section A for inspection, with the agreement of the Technical Delegate.
At ADS-recognized events, the course must be available for inspection by the Competitors at least
19 July 18 CDC recommends deleting the current ADS exception.
2Dec19 BoD rejects this RCP.
|Reason for Change:||Courses at CDEs require the inspection time given by FEI and USEF.|
|Type of change:||Clarify|
Penny says :June 10, 2018
This is a good rule of thumb, but there are times where the course may not be ready within 48 hours due to access issues. The rule should state that the TD and POJ can open the course to inspection with less that 48 hours if circumstances dictate.
Zantke says :June 14, 2018
No, this is a bad rule! Besides requiring earlier access to the land, it also requires earlier arrival of the course designer (and all his helpers) PLUS ONE DAY EARLIER ARRIVAL OF BOTH THE T.D. AS WELL AS THE POJ so that they can approve the course. So it will burden the organizer with substantial extra expenses to pay for the extra days of these folks.
Kmorgan1 says :June 17, 2018
BAD IDEA! which will add prohibitive expenses to smaller events. An extra day of TD, Judge and facility rental – or in the case of Sunrise Ridge – another day of feeding my cattle while our fields are reserved for the Driving Trial. There is no demand from our competitors for an extra 24 hours course walking time. There MAY be some who can arrive early enough to profit from an extra day of obcessing over the course, but the majority of our competitors have jobs and/or farms to keep running and are using precious vacation days to participate in the event. The expense of the added day would be wasted on the majority of competitors, even if we could afford it, but bottom line, we can’t.
rules says :July 19, 2018
The CDC recommends the change with deletion of the current ADS exception.
keithy says :July 19, 2018
I am not in favor of this RCS for the reasons stated above by Hardy, Penny and Kate. I would like the CDC to provide supporting documentation on where the 24 hour rule has caused significant problems. There was a valid reason for this rule to have been put into place so there needs to be a valid reason for it’s removal. Not just “To better align the ADS rules with USEF & FEI”.
Jheroen Dorenbosch says :August 3, 2018
1) I am against this rule because it makes ADS-recognized events needlessly expensive because it requires access to the venue one day earlier and it requires paying the officials for an extra day. It also may require that volunteers prepare the course earlier. while most competitors are not even there.
2) The wording for the ADS-recognized events is wrong. The ADS rule uses the words ‘the start of the competition’ which includes the start of dressage or cones. In contrast, the FEI uses ‘before the first Athlete is due to start Marathon’. Hence, for a two-day event typically ‘24 hours before competition’ is the same as ‘48 hours before the start of Marathon’. The wording is different from the intent. There is no good reason why the ADS should use different wording.
Hence, I propose a change in the wording of the original rule:
At ADS-recognized events, the Marathon course must be available for inspection by the Competitors at least 24 hours before the first Athlete is due to start Marathon.
3) The proposed link in parentheses (for Driving Trials see Appendix CD-A) not useful, because there is only a rule for those driving Trials where ‘the same space is used for more than one competition’. In that case, 30 minutes of access is deemed sufficient. In the appendix there is no rule for driving trials where competitions use different spaces, and thus – technically – there is no exception and the FEI rule
Hence, I propose to leave out ‘at CDEs’
It looks like this rule has been crafted without giving much thought to small ADS-recognized events. As a result there may be small events that will be forced not to be ADS-recognized.
DanRosenthal says :August 12, 2018
I concur with those who have expressed concern about the potential cost of this rule. Organizers will simply drop their ADS recognition or be forced to hire only local judges in order to save money. Further, as Penny notes there may be many instances where this is simply not possible due to weather or other restrictions.
This is another example of changing a good and well thought out ADS exception simply because the USEF has changed their rule. Our circumstances don’t support this change.
Like Hardy I would like to see some examples of how NOT making this change might affect the sport adversely.
Zantke says :August 28, 2018
Sorry, friends, you lose me here. Now the CDC recommends this change with deleting the current ADS exception???? Then we are back to square one = having the course ready 48 hrs in advance! NO NO NO !!! Not in favor – as expressed above, way too costly!
pcarter13 says :August 30, 2018
I am not in favor of this rule change for earlier access to CDE courses. As Kate mentioned above, myself and the majority of the competitors I compete with at CDEs are barely able to take off work to get to the show the day before competition, so passing this rule and giving us an extra day to walk the courses is not beneficial to the competitors. On top of that, as many have stated above, the extra cost to have show officials onsite an extra day would cripple many shows.
nis75p06 says :August 30, 2018
Opposed to this as this is going to cause unnecessary expense for already strapped organizers who will then be forced to pass the cost onto competitors.
love2083 says :August 30, 2018
I am opposed. Totally agree with Keithy
heelersnhorses says :August 30, 2018
I too oppose this rule change, for all the reasons stated above, especially because of the undue burden and cost it will incur on the organizers. Entry fees will naturally need to increase in order to cover their added expenses. Why must the ADS rules always align with USEF or FEI rules? The majority of competitors at the ADS events I have attended for the past four years do NOT aspire to compete at the USEF or FEI level….
Mary says :August 31, 2018
This would cause undue hardship on the property owner who has volunteered his property. If we want to retain these events we should not make it harder for all
Linda Yutzy says :August 31, 2018
I oppose for many reasons, as given above. Seems a push to not have ADS-recognized CDEs only Driving Trials …
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