RCP2015#111 – Rules for ‘Derby Driving’ (was #51, see also #103)

2015 RCS #
111 (was #51)
Summary
Creates rules for Derby Driving
Date Received
30May14
Proponent
Jennifer Matheson
Change Date
As soon as possible in 2014
Status
Open for comments – 1June14; Approved EC; CDC recommends amended version 14Oct14; BOD returned to CDC 23Oct14; BOD APPROVED AS MODIFIED 13Nov14
Activity
Initial Posting: 1June14; Replaced with new RCP2015#111; Revised 14Oct14; Revised 10Nov14

Current Wording – New

Suggested Wording, revised by BOD 13Nov14

Appendix
CD‐C

Driving Derby
Chapter 1 – General

1. Definition – a Driving Derby competition consists of one or more rounds over a course consisting of pairs of cones and marathon-type obstacles as described below.

2. Rounds
2.1 A round is run as a timed competition with penalties converted to seconds. Total time determines placings and the lowest time wins.
2.2 The times plus penalty scores for multiple rounds are added to produce final scores and placings.
2.3 If there is a change in the course route/design between Rounds, a minimum of a 15-minute course walk is allowed. If the change in course between rounds is only a change in track width, an additional course walk is not required.
2.4 Ties will be broken by the fewest penalty points or a drive-off at management discretion.
2.5 An equine may compete no more than three rounds in a single day.

3. Starting Order
3.1 The starting order of the first round is determined by the Organizing Committee (OC) or by random selection.
3.2 If using multiple rounds, the starting order of subsequent rounds may be held in reverse order of the placings of the previous round(s). The order could also be determined by the Organizing Committee or by random selection.

4. Officials: one licensed CD-judge. Derbies over 25 entries also require a licensed CD-TD. Officials may not officiate and compete at the same event.

5. Eligibility
5.1 Competition is open to equines and Athletes in all Divisions (Training, Preliminary, Intermediate, Advanced.)
5.2 Classes will consist of VSE, Small Pony, Large Pony, & Horse turned out as singles, pairs, tandems, unicorns, and four-in-hands. Other combinations may be considered as determined by the OC.

6. Turnout
Additional restrictions or variations may be made at the discretion of the OC.
6.1 Carriage: Marathon-type carriage with iron or solid-rubber tires is encouraged. There are no required weights or track widths.
6.2 Harness: Bridle must have noseband. No type of check or auxiliary reins is allowed. Breeching is required for all single turnouts and for any vehicle without brakes.
6.3 Safety: All Athletes and groom(s) must wear securely fastened protective headgear which meets ASTM/SEI standards for equestrian use. Safety (Protective) vests are strongly recommended.

6.4 Groom(s):

a) Singles, pairs and tandems: One groom required at all times except single VSE and single Small Pony.
b) Unicorns and four-in-hands: Two grooms at all times except VSE, which is only required one groom.

6.5 Whips:

a) Whips must be of suitable length to reach the shoulder of the farthest horse and be carried at all times by the driver while the carriage is in motion.
b) If the whip is dropped, the driver or groom can retrieve a spare whip or the carriage must be stopped so a groom may dismount and retrieve the whip. In the case of drivers without a groom, the whip can be restored to the driver by an outside party. The penalty is the time lost.
c) Excessive use of the whip anywhere anytime will result in disqualification.

Chapter 2 – The Competition
7. Course
7.1 The course consists of:

a) common Start/Finish markers b. a minimum of 2 and a maximum of 4 marathon-type obstacles with up to 5 compulsory gates each c. 6-16 cones-type compulsory gates. There must be a minimum of two cones-type compulsory gates between each marathon obstacle and between the start/finish gates and a marathon obstacle.
b) Each obstacle is numbered numerically, with gates in marathon obstacles noted by a letter (e.g. 3A, 3B, 3C).
c) The size of the driving arena will be determined by the OC
d) The number of knockdowns on marathon-type obstacles is unlimited and at the discretion of an official.

7.2 The course will be open for inspection prior to competition. The exact time will be determined by the OC, but should be a minimum of 30 minutes.
7.3 When the course is ready, the official will signal the Athlete. Starting before the signal will result in elimination. a ten second penalty and restart.
7.4 Timing will start as the nose of the horse crosses the start gate and stop when the nose crosses the finish gate.
Failing to pass through start or finish gates will result in elimination.

8. Compulsory Gates
8.1 Compulsory Gates are marked with red and white numbers/letters and are to be driven in the correct direction and sequence. There are no entrance or exit gates for marathon-type obstacles. In a marathon-type obstacle, each lettered gate becomes individually open once it has been driven.
8.2 Width of gates:

a) the common Start/Finish markers should be a minimum of 3 meters
b) the marathon-type gates should be a minimum of 3 meters
c) the cones-type gates can be set at either:

(i) 175 cm for all classes except for four-in-hands which should be set at 200 cm, or
(ii) Set at standardized cones settings as per Article 973.1.8

d) If multiple rounds decrease the widths for each round, the organizer must state width reduction of each round in the Omnibus listing

8.3 On numbered cones gates, the obstacle can only be driven once, in the proper direction, in numerical order, and numbered cones gates remain “live.” Passing through a compulsory lettered gate in a marathon-type obstacle out of order or in the wrong direction is elimination unless corrected. In order to correct, the Athlete must drive
through the compulsory lettered gate missed before continuing in the correct sequence. Corrected course incurs 20-second penalty.

9. Specifications
9.1 Dislodging an element of the course will incur penalties, even if open.
9.2 All balls or other dislodgeable elements which are knocked down remain on the ground until the Athlete has finished the course, unless the Official has rung the bell and the obstacle has to be rebuilt.
9.3 Cones-type obstacles

a) Dislodging one ball of a single cones-type obstacle incurs a 5-second penalty. An additional 5-second penalty is given if the second ball is dislodged later by whatever means.
b) If any part of an obstacle in advance of the one being driven is significantly dislodged* or knocked down, the official will ring the bell and stop the clock for the obstacle to be rebuilt. The Athlete will incur a 5-second penalty for each knocked down element, and an additional 5 seconds for each will be added to the time for rebuilding. The clock will restart when the Athlete reaches the rebuilt obstacle next obstacle to be driven.

9.4 Marathon-type obstacles

a) For each knocked-down element a 5-second penalty will apply.
b) If any part of a marathon-type obstacle is significantly dislodged* while the Athlete is in the obstacle, and the Athlete cannot continue his course, the official rings the bell immediately and stops the clock. After the obstacle is rebuilt the official will ring the bell to signal the start. The Athlete must drive the obstacle starting at Gate A. The clock will start when the Athlete passes Gate A. For each knocked down element a 5-second
penalty will apply, and for rebuilding, each time, an additional 5-second penalty is added.

9.5 *Significantly dislodging
a) Means that an element of an obstacle is moved or knocked over in a way that the Athlete has no possibility to continue his course through the lettered gates, or the obligatory gate is clearly changed in position and original width. The official will ring the bell and stop the clock for the obstacle to be rebuilt. If not significantly dislodged, the official does not ring the bell and the Athlete has to continue the course.
b) Each time an element must be rebuilt, an additional 5-second penalty is added.

9.6 Disobedience: it is disobedience when an Athlete attempts to pass through an obstacle and the horse(s) shy away from the obstacle at the last minute without hitting any part of the obstacle.
a) Penalties for disobediences:
First or second disobedience, no penalties.
Third disobedience is elimination.
b) If, in the opinion of the official(s) the Athlete has lost effective control of the horse(s) it is grounds for immediate elimination.

9.7 Dismounting
a) Intentional dismounting for safety reasons must occur while the carriage is at a halt. If the carriage is not at a complete stop the penalty is 10 seconds.

(i) Groom(s) or Athlete intentionally dismounting, first and second time results in lost time. Clock does not stop.
(ii) Groom(s) or Athlete dismounting intentionally for the third time is elimination.
(iii) Failure to dismount and repair broken harness will result in elimination.

b) Unintentional dismounting is any loss of Athlete or groom from the carriage while it is in motion.

(i) Groom unintentional dismount: The carriage must be stopped, and the groom must remount the carriage prior to going through the next numbered gate or finish. There is no penalty except time lost. If the carriage does not stop the penalty is elimination.
(ii) Driver unintentional dismount: Elimination

c) All grooms must be on the carriage when the carriage passes the finish. Failure will result in elimination.

9.8 If groom(s) use the reins, whip or brake, except when vehicle is stationary, a 20-second penalty is incurred.
9.9 Carriage overturn. If the carriage overturns, the penalty is elimination.
9.10 Athletes competing in the Training division may not canter anywhere on the course. Cantering for more than 3 seconds at the Training division will result in 20 penalty seconds per occurrence.

10. Penalties
Description Reference  — Penalty

  • Excessive use of the whip 6.5  — Disqualification
  • Starting before the signal 7.3  — Elimination 10 seconds
  • Failing to pass through start or finish gates 7.4  — Elimination
  • Numbered cones obstacle driven backwards, out of order, or more than once 8.3  — Elimination
  • Corrected course, lettered gates 8.3  — 20 seconds
  • Wrong course, not corrected 8.3  — Elimination
  • A dislodged element is knocked down by any means 9.3, 9.4  — 5 seconds
  • Causing an obstacle to be rebuilt (clock stops) 9.5  — 5 seconds
  • First or second disobedience 9.6  — No penalties; time lost
  • Third disobedience 9.6  — Elimination
  • Loss of effective control 9.6  — Elimination
  • Groom not on carriage when passing Finish Line 9.7  — Elimination
  • Dismounting while carriage is in motion 9.7(a)  — 10 seconds
  • Groom(s) or Athlete intentionally dismounting, first or second time 9.7  — No penalties; time lost
  • Groom(s) or Athlete intentionally dismounting for third time 9.7  — Elimination
  • Failure to dismount to repair broken harness 9.7  — Elimination
  • Groom(s) or Athlete intentionally dismounting and remounting before next numbered gate or finish 9.7  — No penalties; time lost
  • Groom(s) or Athlete intentionally dismounting and remounting after next numbered gate or finish or carriage does not halt for remount 9.7  — Elimination
  • Driver unintentional dismount 9.7  — Elimination
  • Groom uses the reins, whip or the brake 9.8  — 20 seconds
  • Carriage turnover 9.9  — Elimination
  • Cantering in Training division per occurrence 9.10 — 20 seconds

7 Response(s)

  1. rules says :

    September 15, 2014

    This is the version approved by the Executive Committee and replaces previous RCS#51. It is to be published as a separate section of the Rulebook (similar to Recreational Driving).

    See #103 for a variation submitted by the CDC.

  2. Zantke says :

    September 16, 2014

    That’s a new one for me. Since when is the Executive Committee entering this process?
    But, yes, I think some good progress has been made (and happy to see that my comments from #103 were followed. Thank you) But there is still more to be done. For example: Why state that in 6.2 that a noseband is required? We have that already under Article 17.2 of our General Rules for ALL ADS driving!
    So still some work in progress.
    hardy

  3. Jeff Morse says :

    September 19, 2014

    If this requires an ADS CD Official to judge, it should be in the CD Section and overseen by the CD Committee.

    No TD required?

    “2.2 The times for Round 1 and Round 2 are added to produce final scores and placings.” – Might want to say: Times plus penalty seconds are added together

    “the cones-type gates should be a minimum of 175cm for all classes except for four-in-hands which should be set at 200cm.” – Use of the word “should” here means the minimums can be set at smaller clearances. Not sure that’s what is intended.

    “6.5 Excessive use of the whip anywhere anytime will result in elimination.” Not sure one can technically be “eliminated” for a competition they have not started. For instance if excessive use occurs in a warm up area or anywhere outside of the actual competition, what can one really be “eliminated” from? I think what is really intended is that the entry is *disqualified*. That term is defined in the General Rules.

    “8.4 Passing through a compulsory gate out of order or in the wrong direction is elimination unless corrected. In order to correct, the Athlete must return to and drive through the compulsory gate he missed before continuing in the correct sequence. Corrected course incurs 20-second penalty.” Not sure how to write this but as written it is not really clear that the entry must re-drive not only thru the gate they missed but all subsequent gates they may have also driven thru after the one they originally missed.

    9.3 Cones-type obstacles
    a. Dislodging one ball of a single cones-type obstacle incurs a 5-second penalty. An additional 5-second penalty is given if the second ball is dislodged later by whatever means.

    Strike “later by whatever means” – balls can be dislodged simultaneously and who cares what the means is. ….There is no means of dislodging for which no penalty is given.

    b. If any part of an obstacle in advance of the one being driven is significantly dislodged* or knocked down, the official will ring the bell and stop the clock for the obstacle to be rebuilt. The clock will restart when the athlete is approximately 10 meters from the rebuilt obstacle.

    I believe any definition of “significantly dislodged” will adequately include “knocked down” So, redundant.

    9.7 Dismounting
    a. Groom(s) or driver dismounting, first or second time results in a 10-second penalty each occurrence. Clock does not stop.

    Should say “first and second time”

  4. marc says :

    September 19, 2014

    This should have been brought forward by a special committee appointed by the President. That is how Arena Trials were developed. Being placed as a rule change is wrong to start with. We need to get this sone, so we must work with what has been started. As this is a separate competition, affiliated with Combined Driving, the Combined Driving Committee is most likely to oversee it. So far, no formal committee time has been spent on this.

    Hardy is correct, both versions need some work. Not a lot, but there are a couple of confusions.

    Hopefully a finished version can be pulled together in a few days to be formally adopted at the Annual Meeting…or maybe not. It does need full approval of the BOD, not just the ExComm.

  5. Zantke says :

    October 8, 2014

    I agree with Marc
    hardy

  6. cdeponyz says :

    October 15, 2014

    The ADS LOC does not recommend having anyone other than an ADS/USEF or FEI licensed official officiating.

  7. Merridy says :

    October 16, 2014

    Note revised version of this RCP submitted by CDC with permission of original proponent.

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