RCP2014A#01 – HK-Change ‘ADS Advanced’ to ‘Intermediate II’

2014A RCP #
Change ‘ADS Advanced’ to ‘Intermediate II’
Date Received
Combined Driving Committee
Change Date
As soon as possible in 2014
Open for comments – 25Mar14
Initial Posting: 25Mar14
CDC – Recommended: 24Mar14

Current Wording

  • ADS Advanced

Suggested Wording

  • Intermediate II

Reason for change

The nomenclature of the hybrid division in Combined Driving — ADS Advanced — has produced confusion and consternation within ADS ranks and without. Organizers, competitors, officials, scorers and course designers have sought clarification.

The Combined Driving Committee therefore suggests that changing the title of the division to “Intermediate II” will more closely represent what the division is all about. Simply put, the division consists of Advanced Dressage and Cones and Intermediate Marathon, connected with the specified rules for each CD competition.

This hybrid division is for drivers wishing to attempt their skills at higher-level Dressage tests and their speed and accuracy in Cones while not placing added burdens on organizers in offering an Advanced Marathon. The CDC suggests no changes to the rules of this hybrid division at this time.

The CDC has observed first hand and talked with numerous organizers, competitors, and officials and has concluded “Intermediate II” is the best choice. We ask you to support our recommendation that this division be called by that title.

Modification – Approved

An immediate change will be made in the online Rulebook to indicate this change will be effective 01Jan15, to the equivalent of ‘ADS Advanced (changed to Intermediate II effective 01Jan15)’

14 Response(s)

  1. HeatherWalker says :

    April 3, 2014

    I support the CDC recommendation that the so called “hybrid” division be called Intermediate II.

    1. katie whaley says :

      April 4, 2014

      I support the recommendation that ADS Advanced be changed to Anything else

  2. BMR says :

    April 6, 2014

    I support RCP2014A#01. It is step in the right direction for ADS.

  3. Ed Young says :

    April 7, 2014

    I support the ADS CDC’s RCP2014A#1

  4. wendy@ying.com says :

    April 8, 2014

    I like this RCP. Currently the wording is too confusing so renaming this division to Intermediate II clarifies the situation. Thanks Rules committee 🙂

  5. daves says :

    April 8, 2014

    As a member of the committee that created this division, I agree the name Intermediate II suits it better. This name also removes all the hullabaloo associated with the word “Advanced”.

  6. Iris says :

    April 8, 2014

    If calling it Intermediate II keeps it running then call it Intermediate II. I think this will be very confusing on entry forms as it is too close to Intermediate. A prefix would make it clearer. Some other names that were originally suggested were Advanced/Intermediate, Intermediate/Advanced and Intermediate Plus. You could throw in Post Intermediate, Pre-Advanced …

  7. allyn says :

    April 28, 2014

    I don’t understand how a division that uses the Advanced Dressage tests and the Advanced Cones specs (in fact, the same tests/specs as the World Championships) would even be considered to be called “Intermediate” – it just doesn’t make sense. However, I do understand the politics behind this change, so I think it’s time to remove any reason for anybody to be unhappy about the names of the ADS levels. I propose that this RCP be deleted, and the current CD Committee create a new one, naming all ADS Combined Driving Levels to “Level 1” (old Training), “Level 2” (old Prelim), “Level 3” (old Intermediate), and “Level 4” (old ADS Advanced).
    -Allyn Carman, former member of the ADS Combined Driving Committee, and one of the original creators of this division

  8. kate13kate says :

    May 13, 2014

    Love the discussion. I think our upper level deserves better than just Intermediate as a name. How about something like Intermediate Elite. Or just Elite.

  9. Lyutzy says :

    May 14, 2014

    Nothing about this division makes sense to me, but could we at least get rid of the roman numeral and make it Intermediate 2, or Intermediate Two? Somehow I-eleven, which abbreviates also to ill, just seems headed the wrong direction.

  10. keithy says :

    May 15, 2014

    Intermediate II is too close to Intermediate and will cause confusion. I like Elite.
    Allyn has the best suggestion so far. Change from the levels from names to numbers. And initially keep the existing level name and eventually remove the name when the number becomes the norm. Like this:
    Level 1 Training
    Level 2 Preliminary
    Level 3 Intermetiate
    Level 4 whatever name is decided on.

  11. Zantke says :

    May 16, 2014

    I can understand the logic, but PLEASE do NOT change our well known and accepted name system of Training, Preliminary, Intermediate and Advanced (for USEF and FEI). That would only create more and new confusions. “Elite” is too much too, as it sounds even higher than Advanced. I support Intermediate II, but would also be ok with Intermediate 2 or Intermediate Two, or even Intermediate Plus if you prefer. But clearly it should NOT be Advanced, and it should not have any sound of even beyond Advanced. And don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater by revamping everything else.

  12. nancytrojo says :

    May 16, 2014

    I support keeping the established names of Training, Preliminary, Intermediate and Advanced. Too much confusion with ADS advanced and USEF and FEI advanced, so would like to see ADS advanced renamed Intermediate 2. To me, the reduction of advanced marathon in ADS advanced does not warrant the use of the word advanced regardless of being able to do an advanced dressage and cones. It used to be the marathon was regarded the most important phase…not so anymore, but at least give it proper weight.

  13. ohiohorses says :

    May 21, 2014

    Your using the criteria for advanced dressage and cones, that is 2/3s of the competition. I fought for the creation of this division and it works. I think Intermediate II is confusing to competitors. Call it Advanced- Intermediate or Adv- Intermediate if ADS Advanced is such a problem. That’s what it is. Debbi

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