FEI – RCP CD 961.3.2 30m signs 18-047

BOD approved 15Nov17 

RC#: 18-047
Rule/Article: CD 961.3.2
Change Type: Modify
Proponent: Combined Driving Committee
Status: CDC-recommended FEI change proposals (posted 29July17). Subject to FEI approving changes and final wording. From CDC 1Nov 17: forward with FEI revision* to BOD

Revised Wording:

961.3.2 The Entry and Exit of each Obstacle must be marked by Red and White Flags (red on the right and white on the left), not less than 20 m from the nearest lettered gate, unless the Technical Delegate grants an exception. After the finish line of each obstacle [[*rev 1Nov DELETE: [add: (last obstacle excluded)] (last obstacle excluded)]] a 30 m sign must be established. [Add sentence:] A dismounted groom in an obstacle must be back on the carriage before the rear axle passes the sign.

At ADS-recognized events, the entry and exit of each obstacle for VSE classes may not be less than 15m from the nearest compulsory gate unless the Technical Delegate grants an exception.


Reason for Change: clarify use of 30m sign exiting obstacles (last obstacle excluded).

3 Response(s)

  1. daves says :

    August 15, 2017

    Ok, so here’s where it gets sticky. Based on the wording, where do I put this sign in relation to the line delineating the out gate? At a right angle to that line at the red “flag”? Or the white? If so, what happens when the competitor blows out the outgate, at say a 30 degree angle, and doesn’t stop until he’s traveled say 35m? Legal or illegal? Who makes that call? Not the average hazard judge. This is all because the FEI, in its infinite wisdom, decided the downed navigator did NOT have to get back on the carriage BEFORE exiting the hazard. And ADS went along. So much fuss is made these days about ballast/balance, even in cones, yet it’s perfectly okay for the driver to complete the hazard without those things. Amazing!

  2. ematulich says :

    August 29, 2017

    I really would prefer a 30M sign at the end of EVERY obstacle for consistency and a safe zone, but in the interest of shows that combine both FEI and ADS competitors, we will have to see whether this rule passes on the FEI side.

  3. marc says :

    August 31, 2017

    This is something that has been put out for clarity. The officials don’t know what the judging points will be on this, so it’s hard to make clear comments on the rule change. The 30 meter mark should be placed on the intended track. If the athlete goes that far off course, that they exceed travelling 30 meters without passing the sign could happen, so an official might need to make a call on it.

    Also, not to defend anyone’s wisdom, but a back-stepper could inadvertently come off a four-in-hand carriage without the driver knowing, during the sprint to the exit of an obstacle. I’ve seen this happen. This procedure makes the penalties easier to judge. All rules are written for every turnout, but firstly for four-in-hands. they have to serve everyone. BTW…A navigator getting back on the carriage after dismounting is usually the sign of not being trained very well. If you got down, things aren’t going well and you are now in survival mode trying not to incur any more penalties. Why chance getting back on and be charged for a second dismount? We’ve seen that happen a lot.

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