Withdrawn by CDC 1Nov 17
Rule/Article: CD 960.1.3
Change Type: New
Proponent: Combined Driving Committee
Status: Submitted and recommended by CDC (posted 29July17). Subject to FEI approving change and final wording.
See also 960.2.7 18-042
960.1.3 At ADS-recognized events, the provisions this paragraph do not apply. …..
At ADS-recognized events, the Sections are A, Walk, and B
At ADS-recognized events, the Sections are A, Walk, [delete: and B, add: B and Last Transfer] B and Last Transfer. [Add sentence] Alternately, Section B may include the Last Transfer section where the finish of the Last Transfer becomes the end of Section B.
Reason for Change: An option is available to the organizer to combine Section B and the Last Transfer into one section similar to current format.
Note: The FEI modifications for this paragraph include this new definition of the Last Transfer: “In all marathon competitions a Last Transfer section between the finish line of the last obstacle which is automatic the finish line of the B-phase and the start of the Last Transfer (approx. 150-250m) must be established.”
Linda Yutzy says :August 4, 2017
For ADS events, replacing the last 300 meters with an additional Section makes absolutely no sense at all. Rather than it be an OPTION, just do not apply it to ADS rules. Stopping the time for Section B at the exit of the last obstacle can do nothing but cause mass confusion.
daves says :August 6, 2017
Enough with the OPTIONS! That’s the weak way out. According to Hardy’s post on the CD-L, these are FEI proposals, not even law yet. This is the best opportunity for ADS membership to voice opposition to this and other foolish suggestions but I have no confidence these negative comments will ever be passed on to the mother ship. Sounds like FEi is throwing these ideas at the ceiling to see how many stick. This is arguably the silliest one. Why don’t we ever get an explanation for proposals. That MIGHT make them more palatable.
Price says :August 8, 2017
this totally makes no sense. I can’t imagine why anyone would want to do this.
tatohead says :August 9, 2017
Would it really be that difficult to give a clear explanation as to the reasons why the rule changes are being proposed? This one doesn’t really make any sense to me. So, we are to finish section B immediately after the last obstacle. Does that mean we immediately pull up after the last obstacle to get our time entered on our card? That should be fun – asking an uber fit pony to gallop an obstacle, get the adrenaline level up and immediately stand quietly and wait for the paperwork to be completed. What is the reasoning behind this? Safety? Pony welfare? Limited space? How does it improve the sport? Why was the mandatory w/t pace on the last 300 meters not working? If it ain’t broke…..
Natasha says :August 9, 2017
Agree with all of the above. This is the continued desire of the majority of the current Combined Driving Committee to pretend that ADS CD events are just like the FEI, whether the majority of ADS competitors wants them to be or not. Even USE(F) has removed or says that it wishes to remove FEI rules from its rule book, but not the ADS. If you love the FEI, then print a separate FEI Driving Rule book, and let the ADS rules be simpler, clearer and without references. An old tyranny of the minority.
Sharon Waite says :August 9, 2017
I agree with Linda Yutsy. There is no earthly reason why ADS has to be in lockstep with FEI. ADS rules allow for a portion at the end of Section B in which the pace “must be trot or walk only” CD (922.214.171.124). ADS rules should be written to suit our lower-level competitions and Athletes, while encouraging and preparing those few who aspire to become FEI competitors who would only then need to become familiar with FEI rules..
Zantke says :August 18, 2017
We’ll see what the FEI will ultimately decide, but trying to understand the reason for this FEI and some of the other – perhaps related (?) – FEI proposals, like cutting the window down to only 2 minutes, as well as increasing the penalties for overtime – perhaps they want to get back to where we once were – that competitors should properly pace their animals through the B section, rather than just drive fast with the option to lose the extra time by walking the last 300 meters – as currently done by many?
nis75p06 says :August 29, 2017
RCP not needed if we stop blindly following the ridiculousness of the newest FEI proposed “last transfer”.
marc says :August 31, 2017
Some comments here are unfounded and ridiculous. The “Current” Combined Driving Committee is not pretending that ADS CDEs are the same as FEI. In fact, recently, we had to dissuade some of you that ADS CDEs weren’t the same as an FEI 2*. That “card” seems to be used when it suits the argument. The rules have had complicated wording from the beginning. It is one sport and we need to deal with it. The articles need to be verbatim, internationally, or we will have a mess on our hands. In this case, we are required to submit proposals within the Rule Change Process guidelines, so that they can be posted for Member comment. The CDC is tasked with the uncomfortable and complicated task of presenting some unfinished proposals that we are still receiving information about. This particular proposal is rather incomplete. There are additional changes needed to other articles for this proposal to work. The US response sent to the FEI, through our federation, is negative for the primary reason of being incomplete. There are many questions about how this would work, even from our top officials. None the less, if it does pass, the CDC has added language to be certain that Organizers running an FEI 2* may still have ADS Recognized classes running concurrently. Otherwise, USE classes for Preliminary and Intermediate would be their only option and Training would not be offered. This is very much added to this blog, for member comment, with the ADS membership in mind. As licensed Course Designer and TD, I hope this is rethought by the FEI Driving Committee. None the less, the CDC proposed “option” will ensure that ADS Recognized Events may run “on the ground” as they always have.
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