XRCP2015#103 (now #111)

2015 RCS #
Add rules for Driving Derby 
Date Received
Change Date
Open for comments 
Initial Posting: 7Sept2014

Current Wording – 

Suggested Wording

Appendix CD‐ Carriage Derby

1. General Principles A Carriage Derby is competition that offers a combination of marathon and cone obstacles and may be held in a suitably size indoor or outdoor arena. Each driver will be timed from crossing the start line and drive each of the numbered obstacles in the proper direction and in numerical order to the finish line. A sample course is provided. Depending on the number of volunteers available, the course gates may be set to a common width for each class, or adjusted for individual vehicle width. Grouped obstacles may have any number of knockdowns to protect the elements, and may be set to a standard width. Officials requirements stated in Appendix CD-H for Arena Trials.

2. Rules

2.1 Classes for Training, Preliminary and Intermediate may be provided.

2.2 All entries (except single turnouts <120 cm) must be driven with a groom on the vehicle.

2.3 Grooms may ride with more than one entry subject to scheduling.

2.4 Age restrictions under Article 912 shall apply to all entries.

2.5 All persons on the course must wear properly fitted approved protective headgear and protective vests. Medical armbands are strongly recommended.

2.6 Only the driver may handle the reins, brake and a whip

2.7 A whip of suitable size to reach all horses must be carried in hand while on course. If the whip is inadvertently dropped, the driver shall stop the vehicle, the groom dismount, hand the whip to the driver and remount before the vehicle resumes the course. The penalty is time lost.

2.8 No cantering in Training classes or by any 2-wheeled vehicles.

2.9 Wire wheels and/or pneumatic tires allowed in Training class only.

2.10 Preliminary and Intermediate must be driven in 4-wheeled vehicles.

2.11 Gate widths may be common width for turnout or adjusted for each class (see table below).

2.12 Grouped obstacle width minimums: VSE = 2.0m; all other turnouts = 2.5m

2.13 Drivers may enter a maximum of two times. The second entry shall not count toward any prizes.

2.14 Driving gates out of order is “off course” and may be corrected by returning to the missed gate and resuming the course.

2.15 All gates completed are “dead” and can be driven in either direction, however if any ball or knockdown is dislodged at any time, it is penalized.

2.16 The course must be open to walk for at least 20 minutes. A course diagram will be posted before the course walk but is not required to be distributed.

2.17 Judge’s interpretation of these rules is final.

Table of gate clearances here>

Turnout  – Common width. VSE // 170 cm. Horse Single, Pony single and pair // 180 cm.  Horse Pair and Tandem, Pony Tandem and Four // 190 cm. Horse Four-in-hand // 210 cm

Adjusted width. Vehicle width plus: Training +35cm; Preliminary +30 cm; Intermediate +25cm. (VSE turnouts 5 cm less than the above)


3. Scoring

3.1 Course is timed from nose of first horse crossing start line to nose of first horse crosses finish line.

3.2 Penalties in seconds are added to the elapsed time for total time.

3.3 Entry with the lowest total time wins

3.4 Ties will be broken by the fewest penalty seconds or a drive-off at Management discretion.

4. Penalties

4.1 Off course – corrected … 20 seconds

4.2 Off course – not corrected  … Elimination

4.3 Ball or knockdown dislodged  … 5 seconds

4.4 Preventing a ball or knockdown from falling  … 10 seconds

4.5 Reckless or unsafe driving  … Elimination

4.5 Continuing course without whip in hand . … Elimination

4.6 Incorrect pace (each commenced five seconds)  … 10 seconds

4.7 Intentional cantering in 2-wheeled vehicles or Training division classes  … Elimination

4.8 Refusals (1st and 2nd occurrence)  … 10 seconds

4.9 Refusal (3rd occurrence) … Elimination

4.10 Missing or not stopping to repair disconnected harness …… Elimination

4.11 Groom not on vehicle passing any gate, start or finish ……. 20 seconds

4.12 Passing exit before completing all obstacles  … Elimination

4.13 Groom dismounting when vehicle is not stopped  … 20 seconds

4.14 Driver dismounting anywhere on course  …20 seconds

4.15 Vehicle turnover  … Elimination

4.16 Starting before signal or not crossing start line  … Elimination

4.17 Outside assistance from anyone not on the vehicle . … Elimination

4.18 Excessive use of the whip  … Elimination

4.19 Unsportsmanlike behavior … Elimination

5. Typical Course Design

The number of elements on the course shall be determined by the size of the arena available, not to exceed 4 lettered obstacles, one bridge, and 10 pairs of cones.



Reason for change

To incorporate Carriage Derby rules into CD section under new Appendix. Note that this is a CDC recommendation/revision to RCP 51

4 Response(s)

  1. Zantke says :

    September 11, 2014

    This still needs a lot more work:
    Item 2.8 forbids cantering in training level as well as with two wheel vehicles, but then under item 2.10 it says anything above Training Level needs to have 4 wheels anyhow. So the restriction of no cantering in two wheelers is redundant.
    Item 4.5 (which is double by the way as we have 4.5 twice!) has Elimination for “reckless or unsafe” driving and Item 4.19 has Elimination for “unsportsmanslike behaviour”! Whoa ! Combined Driving strives to be OBJECTIVE. These items are far too SUBJECTIVE, especially with a penalty so severe. Time counts, so drivers WILL go fast! Where is anybody drawing a line to what she or he might think is “reckless or unsafe” ? And what’s the definition for “unsportsmanslike behavior”, please? Both far too subjective, especially coupled with 2.17 that the judge’s ruling is final!
    4.16 starting before the signal: Why elimination? In cones we have 10 penalties and a restart for that by now! So try to stay in sync.

  2. Linda Yutzy says :

    September 17, 2014

    I do not support Driving Derbys being overseen by the CD committee. It is a separate event and does not have to follow the same rules as FEI for CDEs. I favor RCP2015#111 as an initial set of rules.

  3. jayeventresca says :

    October 8, 2014

    2.8 and 2.10 – Most single VSEs are driven to two wheeled vehicles and are able to canter just fine. To include Single VSEs in the Preliminary and Intermediate levels these two items would have to be changed to allow using two wheeled vehicles at a canter.

  4. Merridy says :

    October 8, 2014

    Thanks, Jaye. Do you like RCP # 111 better?

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